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02. Ernesti Sario & Nantte Kivinen - Building Hogwarts For Hyper-Ambitious Young People

Chasing down the Finnish President in Davos, securing a 12,000m² palace in Helsinki, and the art of using manifestation to turn ambition into reality

There are very few people out there like Nantte and Ernesti. University dropouts, wise beyond their (young) years, and building one of the most exciting things in technology right now - that could well be a model for where higher education goes in the AI era.

For the uninitiated, FR8 has separately been described as a hacker hotel, a finishing school for precocious young builders, Hogwarts for hyper ambitious young people, and a place where you can find your personal religion - it’s a mercurial beast, but one that deserves attention for supercharging the ambition of young builders from across the world.

What is clear however is the cult-like status is has picked up in an incredibly brief period, the incredible work done by the cohorts (building across BCIs, rocket fuel, novel chip architectures, robotics & more), the intense passion the two founders bring to the table, and the unbelievable talent magnet it has become.

As such, we could think of no better two people for our second outing as Unreasonable. We spent an hour with the guys in the magnificent board room of their Helsinki palace (no joke) talking manifestation, purpose, reframing ambition and what the future of education could look like. Marvellous fun all round and we hope an equally enjoyable listen or watch.

We covered:

  • Almost getting killed by presidential bodyguards at Davos

  • Negotiating a 12,000 square metre palace in central Helsinki for a fraction of what anyone reasonable would have paid

  • Why “the best people don’t need help” - and what that means for how they run cohorts

  • The asymmetry that makes unreasonable bets rational - why the odds don’t change but the outcomes do

  • Why manifestation isn’t some mystical idea - and more a rigorous observation about how ambition actually moves resources

  • How to Americanise Europeans (on sales) while keeping the values and integrity

  • Creating community and meaning and how this enables people to do their best work

Timestamps:

  • 00:00 Cold open: who are Nantte & Ernesti?

  • 03:18 What is FR8? Hogwarts for the hyper-ambitious

  • 04:29 Why Nantte said yes: visiting the stars

  • 06:57 A new model for education in the AI era

  • 09:29 Walking into fundraising rooms with no track record

  • 11:23 Turning crazy vision into daily action

  • 15:25 Speed-running ambition: can you skip the levels?

  • 18:07 Inside a FR8 cohort: 30 people, 3 months, no rules

  • 21:05 Selecting a FR8 Maverick

  • 23:39 A home for outcasts

  • 26:34 Why FR8 only takes the young

  • 32:48 Unbundling the university

  • 35:11 From mansion to hotel to 12,000m² palace

  • 38:46 What manifestation actually means

  • 41:24 When belief breaks: the dark days

  • 43:23 "You can always send me an email"

  • 44:26 Owing it to humanity

  • 45:52 European bureaucracy and getting through walls

  • 47:09 The Davos story

  • 51:34 Why build in Finland

  • 54:29 The European emigration question

  • 58:43 Quickfire

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